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	<title>Comments on: Producers Refuse to Take Actors Shit</title>
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		<title>by: Taellosse</title>
		<link>http://www.angryzenmaster.com/2008/05/07/producers-refuse-to-take-actors-shit/#comment-17750</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ooh, just thought of something I care about that might get delayed by this, though I doubt it.  &lt;i&gt;The Hobbit&lt;/i&gt; movies.  If this dragged on long enough, it might, but I believe they're in the script-writing stage still for that, anyway, so it is unlikely to come to casting for several months at least, never mind filming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, just thought of something I care about that might get delayed by this, though I doubt it.  <i>The Hobbit</i> movies.  If this dragged on long enough, it might, but I believe they&#8217;re in the script-writing stage still for that, anyway, so it is unlikely to come to casting for several months at least, never mind filming.
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		<title>by: Taellosse</title>
		<link>http://www.angryzenmaster.com/2008/05/07/producers-refuse-to-take-actors-shit/#comment-17746</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, in their partial defense, I suspect that payment for actors is a lot like writers, and athletes in pro sports--a relative handful of big names get huge payouts, but the vast majority get by without fabulous wealth.  I really doubt most actors see any percentage of profits on the work they do--they're probably generally paid a fixed fee and that's it.  I'm not informed on the subject, so I can't be sure.

I wonder how much of the "unreasonable demands" are really unreasonable, and how much of that is spin by the AMPTP.  We've already seen how willing they are to publish lies and misinformation during negotiations with the writers--and the SAG won't have the membership that can push back quite as readily as the writers guilds did.

As a general rule, I tend to err on the side of guilds and unions when things come to a strike.  By and large, the guilds are not making unreasonable demands, it is merely that the big companies that employ them are after a bigger piece of the pie.  That isn't always true, but it is far more often than it is not.  Unions are usually pretty good about understanding what sorts of demands are genuinely unreasonable, because if they got them, they can see how they would make the business unsustainable--and that's not good for them, either, since they then lose their jobs.  Unions have a vested interest in remaining reasonable, while the companies they negotiate with see far less cause for a similar level of rationality--if they are unreasonable, and win, they get more money and power, after all.

Personally, I see movies so rarely in the theater that this is unlikely to directly affect me.  There are several movies coming out this summer I actually care about, but none of them will be affected by this, regardless--filming in all cases is done.  And I know of nothing on the horizon that I will be heartbroken if it gets delayed.  And since TV actors appear to have an entirely separate union anyway, small screen entertainment should be unaffected (not that I care much there either--I watch TV only on DVD, anyhow).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in their partial defense, I suspect that payment for actors is a lot like writers, and athletes in pro sports&#8211;a relative handful of big names get huge payouts, but the vast majority get by without fabulous wealth.  I really doubt most actors see any percentage of profits on the work they do&#8211;they&#8217;re probably generally paid a fixed fee and that&#8217;s it.  I&#8217;m not informed on the subject, so I can&#8217;t be sure.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of the &#8220;unreasonable demands&#8221; are really unreasonable, and how much of that is spin by the AMPTP.  We&#8217;ve already seen how willing they are to publish lies and misinformation during negotiations with the writers&#8211;and the SAG won&#8217;t have the membership that can push back quite as readily as the writers guilds did.</p>
<p>As a general rule, I tend to err on the side of guilds and unions when things come to a strike.  By and large, the guilds are not making unreasonable demands, it is merely that the big companies that employ them are after a bigger piece of the pie.  That isn&#8217;t always true, but it is far more often than it is not.  Unions are usually pretty good about understanding what sorts of demands are genuinely unreasonable, because if they got them, they can see how they would make the business unsustainable&#8211;and that&#8217;s not good for them, either, since they then lose their jobs.  Unions have a vested interest in remaining reasonable, while the companies they negotiate with see far less cause for a similar level of rationality&#8211;if they are unreasonable, and win, they get more money and power, after all.</p>
<p>Personally, I see movies so rarely in the theater that this is unlikely to directly affect me.  There are several movies coming out this summer I actually care about, but none of them will be affected by this, regardless&#8211;filming in all cases is done.  And I know of nothing on the horizon that I will be heartbroken if it gets delayed.  And since TV actors appear to have an entirely separate union anyway, small screen entertainment should be unaffected (not that I care much there either&#8211;I watch TV only on DVD, anyhow).
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		<title>by: Kindless</title>
		<link>http://www.angryzenmaster.com/2008/05/07/producers-refuse-to-take-actors-shit/#comment-17699</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I swear to god I will beat them to shit if they strike. I will fly down to california, and start beating every actor I see with a sign, with their own fucking sign. They make enough fucking money, and all it would do is make my wait for Avatar, and other good tv programs longer. I got sick of the writers' strike, and I will not tolerate an  actors' strike.

Not to mention, theater tickets are only going up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear to god I will beat them to shit if they strike. I will fly down to california, and start beating every actor I see with a sign, with their own fucking sign. They make enough fucking money, and all it would do is make my wait for Avatar, and other good tv programs longer. I got sick of the writers&#8217; strike, and I will not tolerate an  actors&#8217; strike.</p>
<p>Not to mention, theater tickets are only going up.
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